Therapy Talks

7 Strategies for a Successful Private Practice with Meagan Hamilton

April 11, 2023 Season 1 Episode 60
Therapy Talks
7 Strategies for a Successful Private Practice with Meagan Hamilton
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This week’s episode of Therapy Talks features Meagan Hamilton, who gives us a behind the scenes look into owning a private practice, and how she helps therapists navigate the stress and overwhelm of starting in a new profession. 

Meagan shares her experience of starting as new therapist feeling lonely, overwhelmed and confused. Hailey and Megan also discuss navigating client confidentiality and protecting client information, as well as how to use social media in an ethical way. Meagan  also offers her top tips for running a successful private practice and how to pick one method of advertising to focus on and do well.

Tune in to hear Meagan’s inspiring story and valuable advice on how to manage a successful private practice. This episode is packed with actionable tips and advice not just for therapists, but anyone starting off in a new profession.  So don’t miss out!

Meagan is a therapist and business owner who has been helping other therapists with their private practices since 2014. Meagan has created a therapy collective in a commercial space, which allowed her colleagues to have their own businesses under the umbrella of her company. She has grown to 17 team members in 3 locations across 2 cities, providing a great example of how to successfully manage a group practice.

Find Out More About Meagan:
Instagram: @thrivewellbc

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Disclaimer: Therapy Talks does NOT provide medical services or professional counseling, and it is NOT a substitute for professional medical care.

Hello everyone. Welcome back for another episode of Therapy Talks. It's Haley here. Today on the episode we have Megan Hamilton joining us. She's the group practice owner of Thrive Collective in bc. She talks about her success transitioning from working in. Independent practice to becoming a group practice owner and the focus of our conversations around the business, behind her group practice, how to be successful in a group practice, and where she wants to take her future endeavors, including hosting a podcast.

Welcome, Megan. I'd love for you to take a moment to introduce. Thank you. Thanks for having me, Hailey. I'm really excited to be here. My name is Megan Hamilton. I'm a therapist, I'm a business owner. I support therapists in their practice. I run a group practice and I am living in the Fraser Valley here in Bridge, Columbia.

Wonderful. So I'd love to hear about your group practice and your business endeavors. Thank you. So I started in private practice in 2014 and I did that independently for a few years through a wellness center. And that was going really well. And I was also working agency as well. And then I had a few colleagues who really wanted to work together and so I took a really scary.

Leap and decided to rent a commercial space and create a collective of sorts, which allows my colleagues and team members to operate their own businesses under the umbrella of my company. We have grown over the years quite exponentially. Currently we have 17 of us, which sounds like a lot.

That is spread over three locations in two cities. And I have to say the swell of those numbers was a direct relationship to Covid. Because we did have seven of our team members have babies during those years. We had to welcome in new people and then we had those colleagues welcome back once they've had taken their leave with their children.

So it's been quite a journey the last couple years. And so I'd love to hear about that transition from more just, from just providing one-to-one therapy towards becoming that group practice. Yeah, it was it was, nerve wracking, exciting. I always talk about it as being like exciting and overwhelming at the same time.

Certainly I've learned about myself that I really love owning a business. I really like being an entrepreneur and I think the term like entrepreneur is out there right now, and I think that is, Like how I'm wired and how I really enjoy supporting therapists. I like putting myself out there.

I like communicating with community partners and marketing and so it just became a real natural thing for me to support my team and the other therapists that I was working with by helping them build their practices through that networking. And like I said, we just kept growing and referrals kept coming and the need for services has just grown over the years and it's been a remarkable journey.

Sometimes I look back and I wonder how this all came to be like it's it seems like. Quite a fast growth. But it also feels really great and I can't imagine my team with less people and we're quite diverse in what we bring to the table. So I also think we're a really rounded group as well.

So it's been phenomenal. It's been pretty amazing. And that's J. It is amazing to have 17 different clinicians all working together. Would you say there's a theme to what you offer, or is there quite a lot of variability? Overall, I think there's quite a variability. I do take a lot of pride in that if, if we can't help support you in whatever you're coming to our door with, that will help connect you with somebody else in the community.

I don't pretend to believe that we can cater and serve everyone who comes through our doors or calls us or sends us an email. But I do make it, my, my personal mission and philosophy to. Connect community members and clients who we can't serve to someone else in the community. So I've tried to create this multidisciplinary wellness center in a sense that has counseling as the heart of our services.

And then we have a few add-on services, which includes acupuncture and massage. And we have a registered dietician who works with us as well. So I did try to take the idea. Most wellness centers have a counselor too, as an add-on service, and I wanted to flip the script a little bit there and have us be a counseling office with other services that compliment counseling.

I do encourage obviously, diversity and people who bring different skillsets to the table. And I think we've done a pretty good job of that and where we fall short. That's okay. It's about finding other therapists in the community that we can connect those clients to as well, for sure.

And I like what you're saying as having counseling, as being at the heart of the services. Cuz I do agree with you, so often, many multidisciplinary health practices focus on the body in some way, whether it be diet, acupuncture, massage, chiropractor physiotherapy, and then there's that kind.

I don't know if I'm saying the right tone, but it's almost would you like to try counseling? It's like that little extra. Yeah, the add-on service. Yeah, the add-on service and it's like that extra sort of thing. Not really like the main point or the main health service like offered.

And so I really like how you made it from counseling first and then spread into those other areas, and I can see why that would be so helpful is because you're having ideally a person-centered experience that's really listening to you with non-judgment and helping you to make good informed decisions about your health.

That's right. That's right. And we worked really collaboratively. Like we get a lot of referrals through our nutrition services, and then they're referred for counseling or we have counsel counseling clients who then need, with a re recent diagnosis or a chronic condition. And so we might connect them for acupuncture.

There is a lot of connection and cross referral within our group. And then we. Really well with community partners and other therapists and services in the community as well. So I, I like to think that, if you come through our doors, that will help get you connected where you need to be connected, that's gonna be the best service for you, which sometimes isn't us.

And hopefully it is, but, that people can leave, not just going back to Google and not just feeling like they put all that time and energy making that one phone call and they've reached another dead end. And I I'd like to think of us as being a little bit. And I totally agree with you because there is a lot of work and energy that a new client to health services may come in and really are being brave to access supports and then feel as though they can't find the right fit.

And then they're lost and now they're back on their own trying to get that support. Yeah. Especially navigating insurance. People will call and they're like well, I have coverage for counseling. And it's what does that mean? Can you send me a photo or can you tell me verbally what it says that you're covered for counseling and what that looks like.

And so helping people even navigate deciphering the language of insurance policies is something that I spend time weekly with people. Again, even if it's not us that can provide the service, but directing them in the right way and having them understand what does their coverage even. It can be really it's it's pretty unreal.

The lack of insight and, companies don't provide a lot of that front end knowledge around what people actually have access to. So spending time with people deciphering their plans is a big part of what we do as well. And do you find that, so in BC here, we have obviously our public health system, which is great, but also has its limitations.

Do you find. This type of setup, having a one-stop shop perhaps, or a center like this really can help to fill in that void of having disjointed services. I would like to think so, but I think that's only been possible with some of our intern students that work with us as well. So although each of us that work, under the umbrella of Thrive Collective, we have sliding scale, or several of us will do different pro bono or, reduced rate sessions.

We can't. Half of our caseload be, reduced rate. And that's really challenging cuz people have limited funds and capacity to pay full rate a lot of the time, so we do supplement And having interns that have lower rates or sledding scale rates and have cap, ability to see clients for no fee is I think part of how we can help to bridge that gap.

As much as we can. I still think there's huge discrepancy in gaps. The need is so great. For counseling currently within Triac and Abbotsford where we serve our clients, and I assume it's the same in other communities as well. And I think that a lot of the time it's just therapists don't know how all to put themselves out there and to market and to.

Tell the public that they exist. And that's why there is a bit of discrepancy where we're full and we're waitlisted. Also, I'll meet therapists who are new or one or two years in and they're not filling their books as much as they'd like. And I think that's where sometimes things get a little disjointed is it's hard for therapists to kind put the word out there and to be visible and to be found on Google.

And so that's been. A bit of the segue in my work is helping therapists to run their own private practice and be successful and have a full calendar of clients because the need is there. It's a huge need. And so I would love to hear some of your knowledge or wisdom around helping clinicians to get to that full practice status or wait listed.

Yeah I definitely like to work. When I started out, it's that I, that concept of if I catch the largest net, I will re, get the most fish. I'll get the most clients. So if I do anxiety, depression, stress, transition, if I do all the things, then I should really appeal to the masses and I should be able to fill my books because I'm doing.

Many areas of practice. And I think that's the first step on where things get a little bit lost in translation for people because, you can look at this really long list of areas of specialty and it's like, how can that person specialize in all these areas? It can be a little bit off-putting or just unrealistic.

And I think, although it seems, counterintuitive to pick a few areas that you wanna highlight, I think doing that, Step one of a long process of how to really focus on serving the clients that you wanna serve, and those clients are gonna follow you as a result. That's definitely one of the biggest things that I spend time with my my colleagues when they start working with Thrive, is to say, okay Who do you wanna serve?

And where are the areas of focus for you? Because I think that the list is generally too long for people starting out and that can feel overwhelming the therapist because we don't know all the things in all those areas. But I think it also feels a bit overwhelming for clients as well.

And so you're really suggesting for a therapist to narrow in to pick more of a niche to be more quality than quantity? Definitely. Definitely. And I think, the caveat to that is recognizing that you can change that if in a year or two years, five years you wanna shift in a different direction.

Like you can do that. Mindset and recognizing I can do this and then I can change my mind and do something else, or change my focus and approach and work with different populations. I, and I think that's initially why therapists limit, they don't wanna limit to a couple niche groups or areas, right?

Is that they don't wanna be like known for that thing. I don't wanna be an anxiety specialist. And it's but you can if you want. And then you can also do other things too. It doesn't have to be your niche forever. You can change the work that you do. That's the beauty of being a private practice owner is it's our own business and we can change how we wanna work and who we wanna work with.

That's okay. And so in terms of once you find your niche, what would you suggest as the next step in terms of advertis? Yeah, advertising is an interesting thing with private practice because generally therapists don't like to be in the spotlight. They don't like to put themselves out there.

They feel really nervous about being pushy or salesy. It's like highly uncomfortable. Once we've chosen a couple areas and I've helped therapists to narrow down where they might wanna focus, at least starting out is to really choose one method of advertising.

So what happens is I meet new therapists, or therapists, new to private practice, and they're overwhelmed with Facebook. They are confused about Instagram. They've spent some time on LinkedIn. They're not listed on Google. So they've tried to really stretch themselves really thin and do all of the things.

And which results to overwhelm confusion. Not all those platforms operate the same way and appeal to the same clients, and so they end up trying to do all of the things versus just choosing one thing and doing it really well. Definitely having a website is critical. It's it's really a non-negotiable thing when you're starting your own private practice.

But the second piece to that is really getting your listing on Google. So I spend a lot of time educating and helping therapists to really allow Google to recognize that their business. And I can't tell you how many times I've met with therapists and they are really overwhelmed and they, they don't know why they're not showing up in Google when someone searches their name or their business and it's actually because they haven't told Google that they've started their business.

So Google doesn't know, that, on March 1st that you opened a private practice. You have to tell them and then you have to tell 'em again and again, whether that's through enhancing your listing. You can create posts within Google you can add photos in Google, you can do all these things that help Google to tell you that you're an active.

And that you're ready for business, basically. And that's something that needs to be added on regularly. Google likes that and definitely doing some community networking is one really big piece that I spend time with. And then Google, those are the main two areas that I support therapists and really getting the word out there that they're in business.

And, as time goes on and if they wanna spend some time on some of the social media platforms, it's definitely an option if that's what they wanna do. But many private practices can be very successful. Even entering the social media market at all. And that's the truth.

Yeah, for sure. Because like when you think about a client searching for counseling, they may, if they feel open and vulnerable and comfortable, they may ask a friend or a family member who they have worked with or that they can recommend anyone. But most of the time it is going into Google and looking it up.

And so I definitely agree with you and I think a good thing to clarify is that you can make. So that your business shows up on Google and it doesn't actually cost any money if you're not doing any SEO advertising and things like that. Correct me if I'm wrong, and yeah. And so it doesn't cost anything just to have it so that when you type in your business it comes up on that right hand side in that little box, right?

Yes. Yeah. So I think just choosing one or two things and doing them really well is always gonna serve you better than trying to do all of the things. And I think, with modern therapy and counselors and mental health influencers being on the social media platforms, I think it's applied a lot of pressure.

To therapists that, that think oh, this is the new way and the expectation then for me to get clients and let yourself off the hook for some of that stuff. Word of mouth and Google are gonna be your top referral sources. And so it's really nurturing community partnerships and connections.

Sometimes that can be through social media. I know for myself with our group practice, I liaise and network a lot on our social media platforms with other businesses and other community initiatives. So that's a way that I network through social media which, is a style of marketing, but it's not, I'm not directly trying to market to clients.

I'm just. What's the way to put it? Present our business and create awareness in our community that we exist. And why is that successful? Is because so few therapists do that. Very few therapists wanna be in the spotlight. And exactly what you're saying is like that navigation or that connecting and networking with other businesses.

So what kind of things do you do to make those sort of networking connect? Definitely in the early days it was just telling people that we exist. Hey we're a wellness group in town. We focus on counseling. Just want to let you know that we've opened or that we've started or we're coming, or whatever that case might be.

So a simple note or sending a voice message or reaching out through social media and telling those businesses that we exist was critical. Again, people cannot know that you existed unless you tell. And again, lots of people don't go onto social media to search for a counselor. I think for our business people might go on to see if we do have a online presence on social media, but it wasn't because they were looking for us on Instagram.

They just happened to find us on Google or hear about us. And then the social media legitimizes that we are in fact a business and exist. We've partnered for fundraising initiatives. What else have we done in the community? We definitely have hosted groups and workshops at other businesses and locations.

Done trainings. Sometimes we'll do like a food drive for a local organization, so we'll just be really promoting and supporting different small nonprofit. We do those around different times of the year for different reasons. So it's just about also being like a community advocate and a mental health advocate in your community.

And I think that's some, a big part of what social media has allowed us to do is just be that agency in that group that, if somebody needs something, we would love to help, whatever that might be. Volunteering or promoting or donating. And so that's something that we've spent time doing for sure.

That's been really important for us as a group. Yeah, and I think that's definitely a great win-win situation because not only are you guys creating more awareness for your business, but you're also giving back to the community and being a part of the community and supporting everyone. Totally. And I've given feedback to many therapists, like attending networking functions.

Different chamber of Commerce meetings, like just thinking about being a mental health advocate wherever you go is so important just for us as a society. But you're also like indirectly marketing. Hey, I'm a therapist in your community and I'm here and I have a seat at the table too. And that's so powerful.

And. So many therapists just are uncomfortable or don't think like a therapist doesn't really belong in some of those circles or meetings. And it's no, you do. We do as mental health advocates and as mental health providers need to be attending all of those things, right?

Just we're business owners like anyone else. And so I think it's just so important and valuable and great connections always come from all the events that we. So important. For sure. And in terms of the social media aspect, do you find that it has become a little bit challenging to navigate some of the ethics around marketing and social media?

I definitely think there's some challenges there. From time to time we'll definitely get messages of people who are interested in our services. Having some of those notifications that we don't provide therapy through social media and always redirecting back to our office contact information is really important.

It's challenging because people are spending so much time on social media, right? So it, it's not uncommon for people to wanna engage with us on social media. And so it's just more of educating and informing, Hey, thanks for reaching out. Here's the best way to reach us, because this isn't a platform that's secure confidential.

And so we can't navigate that with you. On Instagram, for example, or Facebook. Definitely having the automatic responses set up is something that's been really helpful for us, especially on Facebook. And I, because how I also decide to navigate social media as well is I haven't.

Outsource that task to somebody like an outside agency or a person. As the clinic owner, I actually manage all of our social media. And so that's been like my commitment to ensuring that things are being managed properly, ethically that client information is not out there somewhere with a company or a person somewhere in the world.

And that's just been my solution to navigating that a little bit is not only being in control of the. Of our company my company and representing my group of therapists who work with me, but also to protect client information and confidentiality. It's probably the the one aspect of business that I've really wrestled with.

Cuz I, I'd love to outsource at least some of it, but I haven't, as a. I think that's a really good thing to keep in mind because you have that ethical awareness as a counselor. Yeah. And so you're able to have better control versus, not to disrespect anyone working in social media advertising, but you just have a little bit more clarity and respect possibly for that client.

And the reason I brought this up too is because I was, I can't remember where I read this article, but it spoke about this idea of clients hearing their stories on social media. And so it wasn't any identify information, like there wasn't a gender or an age or anything really about the person specific or where they lived, but their experiences being shared and being used as examples for different concepts or ideas and things.

Yeah, and so I think we're in this interesting space where you have to be very conscientious of how we're using social media. Do we necessarily have to give those real life examples to make our information credible or engaging? Or can we just slow, solely stand from a psychoeducational standpoint and give information, or yeah. Yeah, I think you're making a good point. And I think like we generally give very general broad information. And I use our platforms primarily to talk about the team. So I'm not always talking about oh, we had a client, or this is of the theme of the week or whatever we're seeing in our therapy sessions.

But it's also a way to give. Consultation information that a client might want from a therapist through some of our platforms. And definitely some of our team members have been more comfortable with others to be on social media. Actually, most of my team doesn't even have social media personally or professionally.

It's always a challenge to get them in front of the camera and to be, sharing something about themselves. But I've really tried to capture photos and videos of them. Just being normal, everyday people hiking, going for coffee, visiting local businesses and, I'll do some fun promos with my team.

We did a giveaway not that long ago and I said, Hey, send me your picture and for every picture you send me of you in real life I'll enter you in for a draw. So we did this kind of fun team building exercise where. I gave away some gift cards for local businesses just to get some more content of my team.

Because I think it, it just helps to allow potential clients in our community to see that, yes, we're therapists, we're professionals, but we're just real people living in the same community too. And that is, Been a really cool window for me to show our team is through those images and videos.

And even just being a bit playful too at times. Sometimes therapists is so serious, right? And so it can be just a real opportunity to just be. Approachable and just community members, right? That's such a big piece that I like to try to demonstrate through our platforms as well. And would you say also the main, one of the main challenges of being group practice owner is clinician retention, like staff retention?

It hasn't been for me and I work with such great people and I, they always say no, Megan, like you are the group practice owner. You have to take more credit than you're taking, right? I've chosen to work with some really amazing people. We have had three people in four and a half years move on to different things for different reasons, and I fully support and respect those decisions.

But we've done nothing but grow. And I think when you can have the right combination of support and autonomy, That there isn't really a big reason for people to move on if they're, if they wanna work in this community and we start working together, I think, we can problem solve nearly anything.

And so I haven't had a big problem with staff turnover and lack of attention and I think that's why I'm still doing. This many years in is I haven't had those challenges and problems because that is really taxing and tiring to be, onboarding and tr and bringing people in and filling their books and then to have somebody leave.

We just have the. We have some good things going on, and so there hasn't been a lot of turnover and I'm proud of that, but I also think it's because I've also chosen some really amazing people that they're just, we're a good fit. They're a good fit for the business. I'm a good fit for them in supporting them, and so it, it's working.

Yeah, I was just curious because that has been some of the feedback I've heard from other group practice owners is that therapists retention, because obviously this role can be quite challenging within itself, alone, but then to also have a space where you feel connected and feel supported is huge.

And so I really like your point around finding the balance between autonomy and. Yeah I think I take a bit of a different approach than many group practice owners in that I don. Consider my colleagues to be my associates. They're not working for me. They're working for themselves, and I'm there to support them.

I'm there to help market their services. I'm there to help them with the business pieces. I'm not there to manage and I'm not there to I'm there to support, not to oversee. And I think there's a difference in that and I, that's just not my leadership style. And I think that I've just found people who appreciate my leadership style.

And so that's why it works. And if someone needed more support, then what I was willing to offer, then I think it might probably not be the best fit. And so I would like to think that at this phase of the business, that we could figure that out before. They join the team and navigate that a little bit versus bringing them on and hoping it works out.

But we've just had the need for more people and there's lots of clients to serve. It's just gone really well. I'm so grateful. And it sounds like it's gone so well that you are taking on a new endeavor. And that's one of the main reasons we got connected is that you're also interested in starting your own podcast.

Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. I am interested in starting a podcast and I have a couple episodes recorded and ironically I bought a microphone in 2020 when Covid happened, and I had all this time and I was really I had, I have so many ideas. I actually have like ideas for three different podcasts.

If you know me, I got a few projects on the go all the time and So I'm launching the podcast later this month here in April, and it's called Lunch or Practice. And so the vision of this is to really support. Therapists who might be new to private practice or might be considering starting a private practice.

And I'm interviewing other therapists in the community in Canada and the states as well who are in private practice and just have lots to share about their own journey and different areas around burnout, imposter syndrome group practice owners and how. People have transitioned from maybe agency work or to just this new career?

There's definitely been a wave of people who have joined a master's in counseling program as like a second career. And so there just is so much that needs to be shared and Part of this work as well is the, to address some of the major gaps in our graduate programs of lack of information and courses and programming that doesn't tell us all the things that we need to know about starting a private practice and becoming a business owner.

You become a content creator and a business owner and a digital, you're doing all these things and w we're not prepared for that in school, right? We're taught so many amazing things clinically and about the relationship and how to work with clients and all these things.

But, if we wanna go into private practice We're really going to Google on the internet and trying to piecemeal some things together based on where we live. Geographically, there's different rules and regulations and we're wing it. And I know I did when I graduated and I started privately on my own.

And so I just wanted to have this podcast and I also offer some services one-to-one for therapists who are starting out. And I'm also offering a course this will be available online. The first actually session will be in person. So I'm doing an all day course on Saturday, May 13th in the Fraser Valley for a new therapist as well.

So I figured, it's the beta version. It's gonna be a really great opportunity. I have a lot of experience facilitating in person workshops and groups. This is really familiar information to me. So let's just roll with it and then I can receive some really great feedback that I can implement for the online course.

So I'm really excited about it. I'm super excited about. That sounds so wonderful. And I definitely can relate to all of the things you're saying regarding wearing multiple hats and trying to grow a business. And even for myself, where I'm at in my career, like I'm constantly always thinking the next step or how to improve or consistently be full in my practice too.

Cuz that is a challenge of mine. And so I think it's really great that you're creating that space because I think it's very relatable for every therapist once they graduate from their master's program. It. Oh, okay. Now what am I gonna do here? And how do I become a k a successful or fulfilled in my career?

That's right. Yeah. There's a lot to navigate. And we're usually working another job and we're trying to start our private practice part-time or we're trying to ease in and, just navigating some of the responsibilities around setting boundaries as private clients and website development and there's just so many pieces to it.

I, for me, I just found like a real lack of having a concise guide that was really relevant to Canadian therapists. Where we can go and all the information is there and it's laid out step by step that we can know what to do, know where to invest our time and resources and money, and that's gonna help us the most versus a lot of hours of wasted time.

Putting time and effort into things that maybe don't matter as much, but at the time we just don't know it. And that's really hard. Definitely. I would definitely wanna sign up for that type of program, I think for sure. Cuz I think it takes a lot of the guesswork out of what to do next.

And even just navigating the legality or like the technical business things, it's like quite confusing in BC here, in this province, and I'm sure really anywhere. There's certainly not always the a right or wrong way, but I can, what I've always, tried to present is I'm willing to tell you everything that I've done and where I've spent time that was really valuable and here's why it paid off and here's where I totally fell short or wasted time and energy and effort and here's what I've learned and make your own decisions like.

I think that there's such a resource there and I look forward to the participants of the group, whether it be online or in person, having we're gonna have a private networking group and have some follow up calls as well. So it's gonna be part of the services that I offer because it can feel so lonely in private practice, right?

Like we're working with people all day. If we're working virtually or I'm a really small practice, or even if we're sharing an office with another therapist, we're working opposite them. We're not usually working together at the same time. So I just think it's important to have a community.

And that's part of also what I really wanna build as part of these services too, is an opportunity to connect and talk about some of those hard moments as a business owner or learning curves as well. So I look forward to have that, facilitating that as well in, in the services that I'm bringing to the table.

I think that's really great and sounds really helpful because then it allows therapists to get back to what they really wanna be doing, which is providing that therapy. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Megan, have we missed any topics that you wanted to touch on? I think we've done such a good roundabout so far.

I don't think so. I don't think there's anything that's been missed based on what we wanted to talk about today. I guess if I could leave on one note or word of recommendation. It's just to start right? If you've been thinking about private practice or you've been not sure if you're waiting for the sign, this is it.

I know for me, I was ready to go right out of the gate from grad school, but it took me a while to decide to leave my agency job. Cause I was really unsure leaving a really great job when I had really wanted And walking away from a reliable income and benefits and pension and all those things, like I know that for many therapists.

Those are what we work so hard for is the security unit, and especially after graduate school, we wanna, pay down some of the debt from school and those kinds of things. But if you're considering it, like that's speaking to you, right? So there's ways to start a private practice and just wanna encourage people to just be curious about that.

think so too. It's just like listening to your intuition and like what your true desires and motivations are. Yes. Do it. Yeah. Good thing. I really appreciate you joining us today. It'd be great if you could just share where people could find you. Yes. Thank you. I do have an Instagram page for my group practice.

It's Thrive Well BC and rival is the website for the group practice. And then for the individual consultation that I provide to therapists the Instagram name is Launch Your Practice and people can find just to learn more about my story and read about the offerings that I have.

And there's some really great freebies on the website as well. And I'll be launching my podcast later this month and people will be able to check it out there as well. So I'm so appreciative to be interviewed by you today, Hailey, so thank you for having me. Thank you. Yeah. I really appreciate you joining us and sharing and I think a lot of therapists who listen to this podcast will find a lot of that information very helpful, which in turn again gives the opportunity to be back with the.

Exactly. Thank you so much. Thank you.